JUSTICE vs VIGILANTEISM
The American Justice System provides two options for the outcome of a criminal case. The accused is either guilty or not guilty. However, There is a growing trend among prosecutors and the media to adopt a third option; That being ” To Appease the Public”.
What this means is this, The accused is probably innocent but because of the public interest and the media’s influence, we feel the need to put the person in prison in order to look good in the eyes of the public and to avoid criticism from the media.
The problem with this lunacy is this, When guilt or innocence is proven justice is served. When ” To Appease the Public” is envoked we have vigilanteism.
The proponents of this idiocy don’t seem to understand, THIS IS AMERICA, WE DO NOT PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON ” TO APPEASE THE PUBLIC”. WE PUT PEOPLE IN PRISON WHEN GUILT IS ESTABLISHED! Anything less than that usurps the constitution and opens the door for kaos and anarchy!
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I understand where this is a problem to you ,
However who is the one who should decide guilt or innocence?
If a person commits a crime and never claims to be innocent should the prosess drag on and on.
If a person claims guilt by insanity does that mean they should be less punished.
Because if they were sain up till that point then guess what they still are.
The question you are really searching for is should a person loose their right to be free just because of an accident.
Should a truck driver go to prison because there was ice on the road and he slid out of control killing five people along the way.?
Or should living with the guilt be punishment enough.
It is my understanding that although it is not a planed act you are to be in control of your vehicle at all times.
We swerve to avoid a cat or dog or even a squirel if we can see them we can see anything.
As long as there is accidents there will be fault so someone has to take the blame…
Speaking in general terms, when there is an incident and MULTIPLE parties are involved and possibly at fault. How does holding one person responsible for the acts of TWO people translate into justice? It doesn’t! Especially if a Third party becomes involved in the process. Add to that the lack of a credible investigation and you still come up short of JUSTICE!
For obvious reasons we will not agree on this one! but i appreciate the input.
To follow up on your comment, guilt or innocense should be decided by a judge or jury, not by the media, or any other third party!
A person who uses insanity as a defense should be punished the same way as a sane person. There are ways to do that and still send a smokescreen that shows that person is being treeted.
In the case of an accident, why does someone have to be held CRIMINALLY responsible? The only reason is TO APPEASE THE PUBLIC! and that my friend is VIGILANTISM!
So you’re saying that if you’re not in control of you vehicle at all times you should be punished? Okay, well…
You’re driving along the road and your oil pan begins to leak, unbeknownst to you. A motorcyclist is behind you driving erratically attempting to pass you on a double yellow. The tires of the motorcycle slip on the oil. The bike goes down. The person dies. Guess what? You’re going to jail because you didn’t have control of the MECHANICS of your vehicle.
The media is calling you a killer. Calling for hefty jail time. That motorcyclist had a family! A mother, a father, a baby on the way! What’s wrong with you?! How could you not have had your car under control?
Nobody cares what REALLY happened; that the motorcyclist was driving erratically. That he had been speeding. All they know is what the media has been spoonfeeding them. Spin upon spin, false fact on top of false fact.
They have already decided your guilt and have presueded the general public towards that thought as well.
And come on, ‘We swerve to avoid a cat or dog or even a squirel if we can see them we can see anything’. Yeah? I’m sure you’ve hit an animal or two that has just darted out of nowhere. If you disagree I’d have to say you’re lying in order to back up your claim.
You seem to have very little understanding of how the world actually works. Newsflash! It’s very random. Sometimes you can’t be in control of everything at all times even when you’re supposed to be. You couldn’t control the actions of that motorcyclist could you?
Your ignorance is blatent, a product today’s small-town mentality so I guess you really can’t be blamed for your uneducated response. You also missed the point of the original post. Do everyone on here a favor and read between the lines next time.
Cheers.
Richierich, i could not put it any better than that! BRAVO!
First of all You should read what you wrote…
And secondly if your oil pan was leaking and someone was driving like a maniac trying to pass you well then they would be at fault for driving recklessly.
And no I have never hit any thing maybe some day my luck will run out and some deer will jump in front of my car.
And yes the world is random but News Flash when plains fall from the sky someone gets blamed for that as well.
I am not trying to say everyone should be punished for every event but when someone already admits to guilt then why complain about other people deciding your guilt or innocence.
And you should read between the lines because this is all designed for opions not mud slinging.
Evan the uneducated like myself knows that…
You missed my point, third party involvement in a criminal case violates the accused right to due proess of law! we can not have this is this country! under any circumstances!
on a personal note, this is a highly emotionally charged issue, Kathy, you know why, both of you, please keep inside the unpublished boundaries…….
Well, I did read what I wrote. And once again you are incorrect. It would not be the motorcyclists fault. YOU were leaking oil onto the road. It doesn’t matter what he was doing. It’s your fault. You were negligent.You are going to jail.It’s an actual case if you’d bother to research a bit.
Secondly it is spelled plane, as in airplane, right? Okay, good. No clue what you were hinting at there. Was it pilot error or what?
And in this true case concerning the man with the leaky oil pan. He hasn’t pleaded to anything yet, but the media has already nailed him to the proverbial cross. I’m sure you wouldn’t like that very much, now would you?
And you can throw out the ole, ‘So what I know I’m innocent, it doesn’t matter what other people think.’ I highly doubt you’d be okay with it.
Lastly, there is no mudslinging involved here. Just hardcore debate, right moderator? Besides, if you can’t handle a little intellectual critiquing now and then, well frankly you shouldn’t be posting on a site like this.
And please, Kathy, that’s your name right? Please, next time you post, do a spell check. Even a ‘sain’ person like me knows to do that.
Well it seems this topic has run a bit dry so off to another!
Cheers.
Out of respect to you Will and To the party involved in this debate..
Let us call it yet again the right to agree to disagree.
An to You Richierich..
I was asked to read these things and comment when I feel fit to so until The creator asks me not to get over yourself.
No one will always agree on every subject and that is why we have opinions.
They mean nothing my belief does not change anyones guilt or innocence.
Everyone please read my first post of the day!
Wow, a debate does not have to end with saying im right you’re wrong nanny nanny poopy, richierich, i do believe mymim’s accusations of mudslinging would be accurate, you may want to read again………”Your ignorance is blatent, a product today’s small-town mentality so I guess you really can’t be blamed for your uneducated response. You also missed the point of the original post. Do everyone on here a favor and read between the lines next time.”
” And once again you are incorrect”
isn’t a forum like this for disussion and not rights and wrongs, it’s about friendly debating, not being wrong or right. Correct me if I am wrong Will, because I am new to this forum.
As to the origional post, it is unfortunate that people do go to jail because of “accidents”, because ‘most’ people will not intend to hurt another. However, there are sometimes other factors that caused the ‘accident’, that the driver could have done or decided not to do, to prevent such tragedy’s from happening. We are all human and we all make mistakes, and in the end we hope that a Judge will be fair. And again what is fair is something up for debate ………….
I allowed things to go to far between richirich and Kathy. That falls on me. I apoligized for it. Believe me, it will never happen again!
This forum is to get dialogue between people and for those people to exchange ideas so we can effectively imform people what we believe in and stand for. You are absolutely right. I’m not saying it has to be friendly or cordial, it just can’t stoop to that level again.
The bottom line about the “case” we are debating is this: I believe this man would be dead whether she stayed with me that night or not. Look at the sentence. Something else happened to this man and she had nothing to do with it.
Two last words: TOKEN JAILTIME!